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June 16, 2021

EP17: How Nate and Josh got into software development

Both Nate and Josh have a development background. In this episode we find out how they got into software programming which is a bit of a trip down memory lane. We also hear updates on Josh’s 6-week sprint and Nate’s ad-spy idea.
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EP17: How Nate and Josh got into software development


Nate: [00:00:30] Hey, Josh
Josh: [00:00:32] Hey, Nate, how are you doing
this week?
Nate: [00:00:34] doing pretty good. How are you?
Josh: [00:00:37] I’m doing well. Yeah, I think another, another stacked week of feeling less stress and kind of, I don’t know, running through, running through goals. I did set that sprint stuff this week, so.
Nate: [00:00:50] Yeah.
I saw that. That’s really cool.
Josh: [00:00:53] Yeah.
Nate: [00:00:53] tell people a little bit about what you’re doing with that.
Josh: [00:00:55] I got to find it it’s bad that
I can’t read, just regurgitate it off my head, but just a bunch of little things going on and probably my own personal retrospective from what was, you know, the stress, the stresses I was dealing with in the past, in the weeks past.
But trying to just. To have a six week sprint around improving three major areas of my life. One is health. I think I’ve been doing a solid job with it anyway, but there’s definitely some things that I think went off the rails when you go and have a beer every night. And it becomes a habit that you’re just having a beer and you’re like, huh.
Okay. I didn’t, I don’t even think about it as a decision. I just go and grab a beer. So,
Nate: [00:01:35] Yup. Yup. Totally.
Josh: [00:01:37] the other ones on delegation, just, I have a really good.
Leadership team. And there’s often times I just take things and run with it and I’m like, oh, actually they could help with this. Or let me ask them, let me get everyone together and get more opinions.
And doesn’t have to be like voting and by consensus and everything, but just actually hearing everyone have healthy discussions around these different things. And, you know, people can take
decisions off my plate can take, you know, ownership can take all kinds of other things. So. Working on that and overall stress which the big one around the stress one was the fluctuations of, you know, SAS businesses and things like that.
And I think we talked a little bit about the turn more towards
product led kind of for us, where we were largely dependent on like inside sales.
Nate: [00:02:27] Yup. Yup.
Josh: [00:02:28] and now I am,
we’re kind of on a six
week sprint to improve that. Not that those weren’t goals
before, but now it’s now it’s real now. It’s like, okay, we’re not going to backfill a certain sales roles and kind of just like run forward and just not kind of continue to set excuses and let other priorities get in the way.
Nate: [00:02:49] yeah.
Yeah, no, I think that’s really cool. You’re kind of in a tough spot. And you said, okay, I’m going to make a plan and get out of this. And I think that’s, that’s really good. Like
I think a lot of people just kind of wallow in the bottom there.
So kudos to you for that.
Josh: [00:03:02] Yeah, I hope it’s a, it’s a turning point for a couple of things. I
have been phasing out when you, when you go back and look at his story and where you’ve come, you kind of, you know, there’s, there’s certain like inflection points or major change points in the story, the plot thickens or phases or whatever.
And I think this is one of them. So but anyway, how about, how about you and how’s How’s your research and your idea going.
Nate: [00:03:26] Yeah, well, actually your your sprint thing kind of inspired
me. And so I
made a little list of my own as well. and so one of my things is to make two baby steps or a baby step on my idea every two days. And so I’ve been working towards that. I’ve kind of hit
But at a tough point in terms of trying
to do more research I’ve keep, I keep shifting the idea around shopping and around with different people.
And yeah, I’m kind of, kind of struggling to, to really get some traction on an idea where I really feel like people are really resonating with it.
And so I just have some more work to do there.
Josh: [00:04:02] okay. I mean, last we left, you were interested in this drop shipping and competitor type of, type of a ad spy and that thing. And then I think we talked a bit about. Kind of going back to the basic validation step two. So did you, did you run through that at all?
Nate: [00:04:23] Yeah. And so that’s kind of what I did is I, I, I was going down this dropshipping rabbit hole and I came up with kind of.
Kind of a really fancy product that had
like three different things in it. And so
I kind of picked the one item that I thought was the
most promising and
from the feedback that I had gotten
that people were the most excited about,
and I kind of pulled that
back and I I’m taking that back to validation now.
And so that’s what I’ve been working through
the last last week or so just trying to get validation on that particular idea and trying to understand what target markets there are for that idea. And so that’s the, the website monitoring portion. And I’m just trying to figure out like, is dropshippers really the best audience for that?
Or maybe he is marketers and what type of marketers are products, people and what type of product people. And I’m just, I’m just struggling because there’s, there’s so many people out there and it seems plausible that a large swath of people could use this. But I really need to get a small group that I can, I can really talk to.
And I’m having a hard
time with that.
Josh: [00:05:24] okay. All right. Cool. So those are some quick updates on kind of where we’re at. Today I had a different topic in mind, something a little lighter, less, less pedal to the metal on getting Nate to assess. Not that, not that we don’t want that.
to happen faster, but but I did, I wanted to touch a little bit on, on software development and.
Kind of how we got into it. Cause we’re both have a engineering and or software background. And actually it’s even recently come up in conversations where, but with entrepreneurs where, you know, some people can do marketing, some people can do. Coding, you know, you always see the typical, Hey, I’m looking for a, a tech founder.
I’m looking for
my I’m the Steve jobs. I’m looking for. My was types of comments and you see those all around. But you’re both, you know, we’re, we’re
both technical in nature and you know, I, I’ve done a bit more on the marketing side than you have, but I think, you know, you’re starting to think like that a bit more, which is, which is fun, but.
Dipping back into the software side. How, how did you get started into software development?
Nate: [00:06:32] Yeah, that was a great topic. I love talking about software development. I started like, I guess. Way back would be like, we had this course in high school where we had to build like a little website as one of our
projects. And for some reason we had to do it in
Microsoft word, which was like horrendous for making websites.
Josh: [00:06:53] not, not even Microsoft front page, not
even like front
Nate: [00:06:55] no, no, no. This is like the software to export to HTML or something. Super hack and Yeah. So I was like, oh, this is kind of neat. Let’s see what it spits out. And I figured out that while I could, you know, I could make all sorts of adjustments to this page outside of word, and I could make it look a lot prettier and whatnot.
And so that kind of started me down this whole
rabbit hole of, you know, what is web dev and what can I L do? And
Josh: [00:07:19] so, is that, would you consider that your first
language, like, I
don’t know, do people consider HTML language? I guess?
Nate: [00:07:24] I don’t know. I guess it’s
like a, it’s like a markup, right? It’s like, Do you know how to write kind
Josh: [00:07:31] then, so then was, was JavaScript your first language
Nate: [00:07:34] Actually PHP was my first language and then closely followed by JavaScript. So a little bit of both there.
Josh: [00:07:41] Okay. Interesting.
Nate: [00:07:43] What about you? Where’d you get your seed? Like where did you kind of
Josh: [00:07:48] I would say probably it got started at home. My My dad was in software.
Nate: [00:07:52] Okay.
Josh: [00:07:53] and he worked for, I think it was like at and T and bell labs at that time. So just this interesting story about him, like he, he could have done more interesting entrepreneurial things. He actually got recruited to be early at like sun and some of these other ones, like way back in the heydays of
that stuff. And He He didn’t take those jobs because he was, he wanted a more stable job for the family where in hindsight, it was like the risk, the risk he took or the, he was really not at risk because he was kind of at the cutting edge of like market needs at that point in time. And probably could have always gone back if it was a flop, but you know, if you went and worked for son, I’d probably have a very different,
Nate: [00:08:40] Yeah, no kidding. Wow. That’s crazy.
Josh: [00:08:43] Yeah. So but, but at home, you know, there are, we always,
always computers around. So then I just, you know, you’d play games and start monkeying with them. And then yeah, I think trying to think there was not, there was not the web then when I was growing up, it probably wasn’t until, yeah. Now you laugh at that.
So laugh at my age ism. But yeah, there wasn’t a web. So my, I think my first language. I think my first language, I don’t know if you call it like considered logo, what language?
Nate: [00:09:10] I’ve never heard of that one.
Josh: [00:09:12] Oh, really? Okay.
So maybe we’ll call that the first language. So
in middle school there was a actually get logo and Q basic.
So there’s Q basic for dos, right. And logo. Even before that is like, you move this little,
this little icon around, I think they called it a turtle and it’s like, you basically give it commands and directions. It’d be like, you’d be like left turn. 90 degrees and like forward
X and you could do different things like you could say draw, or like put a pen down.
So I made this whole I think I think it was like a commercial with it, like basically because you could speed them up and have them draw it so quickly and then clear the screen. And there were all these commands. So, I mean, I, I went to town on that and like was opening up books on like more commands and just trying to figure, so I would click
consider that probably the first one.
Nate: [00:10:00] Yeah, that’s awesome. Wow. That’s cool.
Josh: [00:10:04] and then in school
admin in high school, they had a, they had a class like they ha they were teaching Pascal. So,
Nate: [00:10:12] Okay. Yeah.
Josh: [00:10:13] So I, I took Pascal as you know, which is a great learning, I think, learning language. So that was what I’d consider probably a better first language out of
Nate: [00:10:23] Yeah, yeah. But that’s like when you’re learning logo and whatever, like that’s. That’s really the special time, I think, because you’re like, you’re like bashing your head against the wall, trying to figure out like, well, I want it to do, you know green lines that are a blue line and
you know, how can I, how can I, do that?
And you like don’t know the structure and everything
Josh: [00:10:42] Right. Yeah. And you have to think very procedural oriented.
Nate: [00:10:46] Yeah.
Josh: [00:10:46] not, it again, it differs very much from markups and stuff like that, but everything at that point is thinking procedures. And then how do I do things in loops and thinking of starting to think and functions and stuff like that.
Nate: [00:10:59] Yeah. Yeah. So is that a lot of you mentioned that was through your high school. So a lot of that was, was taught to you or did you
do much on your own.
Josh: [00:11:06] I think it was one of those ones where.
I’d probably like a lot of us were the teachers at that point weren’t necessarily like, didn’t really know that much. So they were like, kind of teaching you from their books and, you know, some kids like myself would have more of a knack for it, so it would kind of pick it up and then, you know, we’d finish the assignment of that day, like in the first five minutes and then we’d go and do whatever we want after that.
So But, yeah, so that, that I wouldn’t say I’m trying to think. And then, and then I started doing a lot of like special projects because like I got bored and then they’re like, oh, how can I get some other credits? And I think one of the first things I did for the school was I made a, one of those date match programs, like where everyone would fill in, you know, you’d have like 30 questions or
whatever. And then you get to come up that you. You’d have an algorithm that you would match people,
And also skip other matches and do all these things. And that was probably the first thing. And
we, we used it, I think for my class, like my graduating class and we used it to fundraise and we said, Hey, put your names in here.
We’ll spit out the things we’ll
give the results to everyone and you pay like a dollar and it goes towards like funding, our prom or something, something like that.
Nate: [00:12:24] Yup.
Josh: [00:12:25] So, that was probably the first like project I got to use that. Probably made any money, I would
Nate: [00:12:30] Yeah, that’s awesome.
Solving a true high school problem too.
Josh: [00:12:35] Yeah. How about you? What about your, what was
your first kind of more public project?
Nate: [00:12:41] Well I had this one, my friend wrote, did a little
computer business in high school. And so he would fix people’s computers and whatnot. And so we made him a website.
So I had all his products on there and whatever,
and it had this, it had this crazy login feature because we thought we were so clever.
We made these these invisible
boxes that if you like clicked on certain parts of the screen in a certain combination, within a certain amount of time, then it would like unlock you and let you into like the admin panel and whatever. But it’s basically just like a little credit that, you know, we’d show your products and get upload images and stuff.
Josh: [00:13:12] Cool.
Nate: [00:13:14] Yeah. And I think we built like on attendance thing for this youth group that we were a part of like we’d have these conferences and whatever, and it was like you could sign up for stuff and you could register for different parts of the event through it. And at the event there was like this, like at the door entry point kind of a piece to it too.
That’s fun thinking back to those things there. So hack.
Josh: [00:13:35] Yeah. So at what point did you decide that, that you wanted to make like a career out of it? Or did you study it in school as well? Like in university
Nate: [00:13:47] Yeah, I did. And I actually like the, my university training was a little bit by accident. Like I didn’t go to university to with the intention of going into software. Actually wanted to be an aerospace engineer. Design planes and whatnot. And I didn’t get accepted for that. And the alternative that they were giving, because I,
I didn’t fill in my application on time. it? was Like
the last, like bottom of the barrel was like, here, you can do computer
systems engineering. And I was like, okay, that sounds cool. Like, I know a bit about computers. Sure.
Josh: [00:14:17] was, that was like the lowest rung on the ladder out of it.
Nate: [00:14:21] Well, yeah, no, but the lowest, but it was like, they, they are having trouble filling up that program because it’s a fairly new program. From what I could tell and
Josh: [00:14:29] What year was this?
Nate: [00:14:31] oh, 2012, maybe
Josh: [00:14:34] They had trouble filling a computer science program.
Nate: [00:14:38] Well, not computer science, the computer science program was doing quite well, but this is computer systems.
And so it
was more like hardware level. We basically did a mix of hardware and software courses,
Josh: [00:14:48] Okay.
Nate: [00:14:48] Which was very interesting. It was a lot of fun. And like, after I did like the first year or two of it, I
like, oh, okay. This is for
me, I’ll do this. But definitely not where I intended to go.
Josh: [00:14:57] Hmm. Interesting. So I didn’t know you had some, some hardware
background or some, no, not sure if you have it in practice as much anymore, but that, that that’s where you have a base base of knowledge from.
Nate: [00:15:08] yeah. And actually I think a lot of that hardware. Knowledge is actually, I find that really beneficial in the software world. Like just the way of thinking that you have to do in hardware is just so different. And think some of the profs that I had, some of the best ones were the hardware guys.
We had
this guy that used to yell at us.
Anytime you didn’t put a default
case, a default case in a switch statement. And
I could still hear yelling today. That’s great.
Josh: [00:15:32] That’s interesting. I mean, I, I’m probably biased as well in terms of like I have
Yeah. my, my, my university of college degrees in electrical engineering and I didn’t do comp PSI then. And it was interesting. I asked because it, when I was going through, Yeah.
you, you would, you had to make a certain grade to be able to be in the comp side program and Yeah. it was, it was interesting.
Cause that’s why we’re like the demand of it. I was, that’s why I was a little surprised. But once you mentioned it was really more of like the, the intersection of, of the hardware side. And I feel like a lot of people sort of just jumped to the cooler stuff. They’re like, Ooh, programming. That sounds cool.
I’ll go do that. But I would, I would share your. Sentiment or I don’t know opinion of like the hardware. It just, I just felt like he learned everything from the ground up versus versus like from the top down where you could learn HTML and you could learn the visuals, but then. You know, I think a lot of people sometimes struggle when they come from that to get
to something like a database, then they’re like, Ooh, whoa, whoa.
This is weird.
Nate: [00:16:43] Yeah.
Josh: [00:16:44] Where I felt like learning from hardware level on up was like a natural progression towards everything. And then that the visuals on top were just kind of the painting or facade. Not that there’s, I mean, there’s true engineering in that too, and true programming. And I usually am. Very stay away from CSS for myself personally.
Nate: [00:17:05] Yeah. Yeah. I think actually probably one of the best things that we had and probably you had to, if you’re an electrical, is.
We would have to work with these microcontrollers. And the way that w our professor taught us, which we really
didn’t like, which by, in
looking back
was the best thing ever was that she would give us manual, like the op codes and everything for
this, this piece of hardware.
And she’d say, okay, you’re going to go do this project. Here you go. See ya. I’m not helping you with anything. There is no, like, this thing is archaic, so you can’t find anything outline. And basically we would just sit in the computer lab, the whole class all of us together and just like, you know, pound away at this problem and try and figure it
I feel like that was like the best thing that ever happened to us.
Josh: [00:17:50] Yeah, it’s interesting where like your, your end condition
is like having
it actually like, do something functional.
I remember a project, like doing projects
that were like, okay. Build a traffic light
simulator And, things like that. And those were really super fun and kind of interesting because you would know,
definitively or easily if it worked Or it didn’t, or it’s like, okay, it keeps switching.
Okay. Nope. Like, well, What the weight is here, the car’s here. Oh,
it actually is the wrong light. I would have caused an accident that is bad programming. So
Nate: [00:18:24] yeah.
And, and like, there’s, there’s consequences to failure, right? Like if you fail to, to build your, traffic light properly, like that’s a big deal. Whereas if you, And, you know, if, if you’re making a webpage and it shows, you know, a little bit slower or something like that, while like that’s, you know, people can put up with that right, Or whatever.
Josh: [00:18:42] right, right, right. Yeah. Interesting. Okay.
Nate: [00:18:46] What about your post-secondary school? did. you, you kind of chose the electrical engineering path. how did that
Josh: [00:18:51] I did. And this is going to sound, I don’t know how it’s going to sound. Probably just, it’s one of those things where I, I did a lot of programming in sorry, in high school and it came very easy. And like I said, through, you know, learning languages there and I was monkeying around a lot by myself. So I kind of was like, I want to do electrical engineering.
Because that’s the stuff that I think is harder to just teach yourself and hack around with and not have the equipment, not have the, you know, sitting there in a lab with a power source and a breadboard and all these other things or getting, you know, being able to program proms and different things like that.
So I was interested because it was like, Ooh, this sounds cool too. And I can always go and teach myself more programming if I want to. So it’s a little night probably naive and. Overconfident with some things, but it allowed me to stay with electro engineering. And then when I first started doing some like real work experience and I got a co-op opportunity that was at a telecom company and I got to do some programming there.
then I was like oh yeah, like aside from just like bored programming. And I was like, Ooh, doing visual stuff and having just solving real business problems. And it, it just got, it just clicked again. And then by that point I was halfway through my, my degree. And then I
kind of started focusing, yeah.
Everything more towards more of the programming tilt out of the, out of the electrical engineering degree.
Nate: [00:20:26] Yeah. Yeah, that’s really cool. And like what you’re saying about like seeing, seeing something visual that people
can, can really like, make it, make a difference in the world
with like that. I really resonate with that. It’s
like, You know, you’re not just, you’re not just programming some, like a bunch of transistors that are going to go inside of a black box
No, like this is like,
let’s build something that we can really leverage to help people.
Josh: [00:20:50] Right. Right. And
then now here we are just
programming things in the cloud that are just moving, moving pixels for people. But, but it’s interesting. It does come full circle with
I have a lot of friends that are
still in that, in that area, or still work for telecom stuff. They build satellites. I’ve a lot of the ones that are building friends that are building you know, I think someone contributes to and does a lot of coding related to like the Mars rovers and things like that.
So it’s especially around here in the DC area, close to people that do government contracting and NASA and stuff like that.
Nate: [00:21:27] Yeah. Yeah.
Well, must be kind of fun to keep up with them and see what, what sort of things they’re working on.
Josh: [00:21:33] some of them they can’t talk about, but Yeah.
I was still friends with a bunch of
them and yeah. Work on their satellites. It’s interesting because then seeing them come and actually do stuff. You know, tying in stuffed with AWS now for them, like they’re there later on to the cloud stuff they’re later
on too, but it’s all kind of definitely with like internet of things and all that is and raspberry pies.
Now, everyone kind of continue her and it all comes a little more, a little more full circle these days too. So it’s neat to see. And then what about Yeah. First like coding job. What was your first coding job?
Nate: [00:22:13] Oh yeah. So that was like second year university.
I got a job for
a really small software development company
and I had to convert an access database into a web app. So it was all Microsoft technology and yeah, that was, that was really
interesting. It was like all razor and like,
I think we were using jQuery, so it wasn’t like just raw JavaScript.
But I remember that being quite an eyeopening thing is like, I’m just sending information with this database and reading it out again. I feel like, I feel like I need to do something complicated here.
Josh: [00:22:46] right, right. and just like formatting and like it’s about access rights and showing data in different formats. What’s up with
Nate: [00:22:54] Yeah. Yeah. And I just think of like how long it took me to do that project too. It was just like, oh man, like knowing what you always look back and you’re like, oh, I could have done so many more things if I just
could do it faster or something like that.
Josh: [00:23:09] Right, right.
Nate: [00:23:10] Yeah. What about you?
Josh: [00:23:11] Yeah. I mean, speeding up through that co-op I
did with telecom and that, that was an interesting role because. First it was working on embedded code. But it was still see, I mean, it was still C code
Nate: [00:23:24] Oh, that’s pretty nice.
Josh: [00:23:25] and then later on in another project I did some visual basic with them. So that was my first start with Microsoft tools and stuff then, and it was pretty neat.
It would take files from these
Essentially they built test equipment for telecom. So it would like. Basically seeing all the, the testing, all the lines. So you’d have these fiber optic lines and I would basically have this app that could read out the data files and tell you if your wave forms were compliant in the, in the right places.
So kind of taking all that electrical engineering and optics and other things like that. Yeah. And pairing it with programming. So,
Nate: [00:24:01] Yeah. Wow. That sounds like a lot of fun.
Josh: [00:24:03] yeah, it was but the big thing I lesson learned out
of the. Out of the big company for me was I don’t know if I told the story about this before, but this is what got me into sort of entrepreneurship and even smaller businesses and not wanting to work for a big company.
And I worked on this project all summer and I was supposed to go on this tour to show it at the, at the client sites. Like all these. Cos which should call central offices where all the telecom stuff kind of comes together. And I, they basically told me I couldn’t go on the trip because I was a, like a co-op, or Yeah.
so it was like, I worked all the summer to do it and they wouldn’t let me go.
And the manager told me the reason was because there are full-time people here that have been here for many years and they have not been able to go on a trip. So we can’t let you.
So it was like this, my first head bash into some sort of office politics and stuff like that. And it was just dumbfounded as a, you know, just coming out of school or still final year of college.
I’m like, I’m never working for a big company. that’s company politics. Like it, it just totally had me take a a turn and only look at like smaller, smaller software companies and things like that. So,
Nate: [00:25:24] yeah, whole that’s that’s pretty Cool,
Josh: [00:25:28] but it’s interesting to think of those paths, right? like if that never happened,
I don’t know if I
ever would have worked for like smaller companies.
Cause then my next full-time job was I was the first engineer outside the contractors that built the initial product for a for this benefits administration software company. So,
Nate: [00:25:49] Yeah. And that’s interesting cause like that we, cause we both are like quite into entrepreneurship and. Well, I think like I have a similar experience to you as well with that,
where I didn’t necessarily have the bad experience with the big company, but I did work at the university of
Ottawa for a little while with their, one of the research groups there.
And I really got to know like office politics and all of that stuff there. I didn’t really have a super bad experience with it, but ever since then, I went to small companies and. I was like you, I was the first engineering hire at the first company I worked at. And like, I think you just get to see a different side of things, right?
Like you see, you see the founders struggling with their marketing or with their positioning. And
like you’re part of all those discussions. I think that, I think that changes things.
Josh: [00:26:36] I think for me, it was
just moving fast enough to where I saw the impact I can make and having. And then also I think my first job,
like out of college, which was for the company doing that benefit software, I mean, they were really good to me. I mean that wasn’t, I ended up being there about. Close to six years.
I mean, I think I got substantial raises and promotions practically every year, because I think they just saw kind of what I was capable of and just kind of kept giving me opportunities to the point of where it didn’t even matter to me anymore. I was like, I’d just have to go. I just have to go out on my own and kind of pursue my own thing at this point.
But I stayed there six years all the way through and, you know, went through and learn to manage people, learn to all kinds of skills that. I don’t know where I would be if I didn’t have that nice base and ended up when I left, I think it was maybe 70 people. So I was
early on in the L in the mid-teens of people there.
And when I left, it was 70 people. So I got to see a lot without being really super big corporate but in a very structured way. So I think that’s definitely helped me. As I’ve built a company with people in it too, to have
experience managing and having experience seeing kind of what some of those structures looked like.
Nate: [00:27:57] yeah,
Yeah, totally. that
makes complete sense.
Josh: [00:28:00] But that, yeah, actually come to think of it. I think that was, that might be my only W2 after college. Really. Wow. That’s kind of interesting aside from my own. Right. And aside from. Referral rock as a, you know, a W2 is right when I
Nate: [00:28:16] No. Wait,
Josh: [00:28:16] Okay. Okay. So that W2 is is, is the form you fill out in the United
States as a, as like a, as an employee,
Nate: [00:28:26] got you. Like we have like we have a T4 up here. It would be the, the
Josh: [00:28:30] Okay. Okay.
Nate: [00:28:31] it’s like your tax slip that says that you worked full time.
Josh: [00:28:34] Exactly. So yeah,
you would have a,
you’d have the W2 at
the end of the year. With, like your totals of what you earn, so you can report it to taxes and do all of that
Nate: [00:28:44] yeah. Yeah. But, you know, it’s interesting. though, like are the same thing. I only worked at one other company after, after college, we call it university of here after university. And before going on my own, and now I’m doing the consulting thing, trying to get into my own business. So,
Josh: [00:29:00] right, right. Cool.
Nate: [00:29:03] yeah,
Josh: [00:29:05] So, yeah, that’s kind of, and then it leads up to what all the stuff we’re doing. I don’t think it speeds up that quickly, but, but it’s a good, it’s interesting seeing the base, you know, our base
commonalities and also growing up in slightly different areas of computer stuff, but didn’t know we had that much in common with the kind of hardware, hardware side.
Nate: [00:29:24] I think that’s really interesting. All the commonalities there. I also didn’t realize that
that’s that’s neat.
Josh: [00:29:29] so cool. All right. Anything else you wanted to chat about today? Nate?
Nate: [00:29:35] no, no, I think that’s that’s it for today.
Maybe next time we can get back
to some more deep SAS discussions.
Josh: [00:29:41] Yeah. Sorry for geeking too much out. Maybe people fell asleep on our college tours. It wasn’t about drinking and fraternities or any fun, interesting stuff. It was more of our are letting our geek flags fly. Awesome. All right. Talk to you next week.
Nate: [00:30:04] Yep.