A fresh perspective on the stages of building a SaaS business

July 7, 2021

EP20: How Josh and Nate learn

This week we chat about where we look for information and how we learn. Turns out we approach learning very differently depending on what category it is.
Searching For SaaS
Searching For SaaS
EP20: How Josh and Nate learn


Nate: [00:00:30] Hey, Josh.
Josh: [00:00:31] What’s going on Nate?
Nate: [00:00:33] Not a whole lot. It’s sunny and warm over here. You can ask her much more than that. How about you?
Josh: [00:00:39] Ah, it is sunny. It did get a little chillier in the weird part of the summer. I don’t know why, but it just seems to kind of feel, I don’t know, climate change stuff just seems to randomly change more often than it used to, but I could just be old and crotchety.
Nate: [00:00:58] Yeah. It’s like, Hey, here comes summer. Nope. Psych, it’s going to be called again.
Josh: [00:01:01] Right. And then it looked hot enough. You said your, your, your, your family is out and about without you while you’re stuck in
here recording a podcast.
Nate: [00:01:11] They’re they’re off at a splash pad right now. They’re at some, some farm where they have like all sorts of playground equipment and stuff. So they’re having a blast. I wish I was out there. Yeah.
Josh: [00:01:21] Cool.
Yeah, it sounds like it’d be nice on a hot day. So.
Nate: [00:01:26] Yeah.
Josh: [00:01:28] So today
I had a little
bit of a topic on it’s actually was a a listener request based on this, which was the listener is
asking essentially where we learn, where do we go? You know, what do we listen to? What do we read? How do we
kind of. You know, are we book people, podcast
people what, and whatnot.
So I don’t know. I mean, I’m assuming this kind of means more in a business context, but it doesn’t necessarily have to, so Nate, you want to start off us off on a little of like where your go to places
where you feel like you learned the most.
Nate: [00:02:07] Yeah, that’s interesting. I, I find that really fascinating. Like where, where, where, where can you find
things to learn and how can you learn better and stuff like that? I think that’s really neat. I think
for myself, it really depends on like what the context
is like am I learning how to code some new thing that.
I’ve never coded before?
Or am I learning how to do some new business model? Or am I learning just like
some, some thing that I’ve never heard
about before? I think those are really very different things.
And I think like
mostly, like if I’m, if I have to build something or if it’s like coding I’ll kind of do like some basic research, just kind of Google around and look on, look.
Well, let’s see if there’s an authority kind of on the subject and kind of see what they have to say about it. And then after that I pretty much just dive into trying it out and playing with it. Just, you know, get my hands dirty, keep going until I can make something.
Josh: [00:02:58] That sounds like, more, probably more from like a coding and engineering building something perspective. But what about from the business stuff where there’s not, I don’t know. it may be as much of a direct, like, Hey, I’m just going to Google. How to, how to use, you know, graph QL or something. Post grass or something like that.
Nate: [00:03:21] Yeah. I think that there is a bit of that
like with status list. I know I
did a bit of just kind of playing around with the marketing stuff, just to see what would work. But I did that in tandem with
some other things. So if it’s something that’s really nebulous, like how do you market a SAS or something like, that?
I usually will go And see if any of my
friends have books that they’ve read that they would recommend on it. I find that a really useful way.
Josh: [00:03:43] say you go to you go to your network And ask for books. Like you go to find an expert that, you know, personally, and then ask for how like, for books that that just re re re rephrase.
Nate: [00:03:55] Yeah. And not
necessarily that my friends are necessarily experts on the subject, but that they have a book that stood out enough to them. That
was really good.
And that way you kind of work a level up, right? Like
my friends might
have some skills, but then like if there’s people that they look up.
Then they’re probably even like, that much better,
At explaining themselves
and that sort of thing. So I, I really enjoy reading books for that. and that also will kind of
tap me into a larger network of like, who does this
author look up to? Who do they reference, or who did they talk about? What
are our, and what kind of concepts do
they care about? And I can kind of use that to widen the net. So I
re I first read the book And then I might find like. a podcast, or I might
find you know, somebody who’s done a lecture series or something like that
Josh: [00:04:40] Right, right. That’s interesting. Cause it’s like, when we talked about. Coding or something more specific. You’re like Google. Okay. And a podcast of episode, it goes to Google. And then when I asked about this business stuff, you were like, well, I go to my friends first and then books. It was interesting how you went through a network. you, know, you went through people that you had an established like level of trust or they had a level of authority that like Hey. Josh for instance. and you know, he does more stuff on ABC than me. So I’m going to ask him if he has any book recommendations, like, Hey, I’m just getting started. So you went through a referral or network type of thing.
And then, and then your next interesting part is like, that, gave you a tip into Like
okay, I trust my friend and my friend, trust this person who is an expert enough that they wrote a book on it. And I’m going to go read the book and then find out where that network spans from. So that does that, does that round it up accurately?
Nate: [00:05:44] Yeah. Yeah. That’s yeah, that’s the way that,
I try to work. Sometimes it doesn’t always go that way,
Josh: [00:05:49] and it’s not intentional. This is just kind of like your organic, like, Hey, this is what I would just go do. And obviously if it was something like. Hey you know, you guys are traveling and you’re looking for restaurants near me. You’re probably going to, type that into your phone or, you know, voice it into your phone and not call a friend necessarily for that recommendation.
Nate: [00:06:09] Yeah, I think that’s kind of interesting, like the.
The more knowledge-based the decision is, or the, the thing that I need to learn is
like the
more in-depth it is the more that I would go to friends as opposed to going directly to Google and searching
for something there
Josh: [00:06:24] right. And I think a big piece of that is context. I would, I would, as in what my mind is saying because they’re going to know you, they’re going to know, you know, and or you trust them. level of like expertise and be able to vet that, right? like,
Nate: [00:06:41] yeah.
I think actually a lot of it is that I know somewhat of, what that person’s worldview is.
Like, if you give me a recommendation versus another
friend gives me a recommendation. I take those differently depending on who gives it to me because like if Josh gives me marketing advice, He’s coming at it from a SAS founders perspective.
But if some other friend who you know, works full-time at at some company as like a laborer or something like that, gives me marketing advice. I’m going to take that a little bit differently. Right. And I think that that helps me to prioritize what information I’m going to go into and that sort of
Josh: [00:07:19] right. So that, that, that level of expertise. So you’re taking, not only does, do I know your context for my recommendation, but also. You know, my context in terms of where you’re evaluating my level of expertise in an area. You also mentioned something earlier, which was values, like
which I think is also interesting. because like, if you went to, let’s say a person you might respect in marketing, but maybe they’re, they’re more salesy.
They’re more pushy than you. like you may not go to them because you might not feel like you have a shared values. So the books they might be recommending might be more of like, these. Making up this fictitious person, but get rich quick scheme type of, type of marketing or things like, that, that you’re like, yeah.
I’m not sure. I w I might take his recommendation more with a grain of salt.
Nate: [00:08:10] Yeah. But, and actually a very real example of that is, has to do with. Some of my friends are
willing to take very large risks in starting a software company. and so they’d take different approaches than some of my other friends who are much more cautious. And so I can kind of use that to kind of way how I, how I understand those concepts as well.
Another kind of thing that.
I branch out into too, if I’m not finding enough from my network to kind of help me grow is I’ll just search on
Professional people that are talking about the topic that I want to learn about. so like, you know,
university professor
or someone who’s like known in the industry and
obviously it takes time to figure out like who is known in the
industry. But
just basically go find that one person who’s a really good authority who has
like some sort of public view and yeah.
I just like I start listening to them until they start saying the same things. over and over again. and
then I’m like, okay. I feel like
I know what they have to offer and I can I, I can move on.
Josh: [00:09:09] That’s interesting. Cause I rarely ever search on YouTube.
Nate: [00:09:14] Yeah.
Josh: [00:09:14] Yeah.
no, it’s funny. Isn’t it? And I don’t know if it’s just like aversion to like video and like, I don’t want to sit here and like, do I watch it on my computer? Am I going to watch it on my phone? I don’t know. There there’s something with me and aversion to just sitting and watching a YouTube video.
Like I really don’t watch that much YouTube.
Nate: [00:09:36] Hmm. Yeah, I, I typically do. I only watched YouTube for like
educational content. And usually I listened
to it at like 1.5 speed. Cause you should, people talk fairly slow. But I
find that it’s helpful because often they’ll, they’ll have visuals with the thing that they’re speaking about.
And they’ll also be the best part
is that if they’re like doing a talk or
something, is that
often they’ll have a Q and a at
the end. And I find that
really valuable to like, kinda
to get out like what their, what their message is And
how they think about it.
Josh: [00:10:07] interesting. Do you have like so after a person or resource, let’s say, you know, we talked about YouTube, but YouTube is like a swath of all kinds of things. Maybe there’s experts, maybe there’s not, but do you find yourself, like you find someone you resonate with on there, on a topic and you then kind of go on a, gonna go on a let’s say purge, what’s the word?
Binge binge, like a binge of their, stuff. Is that something you do? Like.
Nate: [00:10:33] Yeah, so I’ll kind of spread it out typically, like all do like a maximum, like one or two episodes of whatever it is per year. So I won’t listen to like three lectures or something
like that
in a row. I’ll just listen to one and then digest it. And then if,
If it seems to be good that usually every couple of days,
or once a week, I’ll just take more of their content in.
And then, like I said, I just keep going
until I get to the point that I, I get I hear so many things over again
it’s like, oh yeah, you said that before. Oh yeah. That I can kind of see like, okay, this is what they’re driving at. I feel like I understand.
Josh: [00:11:07] Yeah, I definitely find going to experts is it’s interesting seeing their patterns over time. Right. And there cause a lot of them have been, you know, they’re good experts. I feel like have been studying something for a really long time and they’ve essentially built up a mental model in their head. And sometimes oftentimes it’s very different than what the status quo is.
So that’s part of their thing is like, no, this is how you do. X or Y, or this is what I’ve learned. And that 20 year old advice is 20 year old advice. What I’ve learned over the past 20 years since then is, is very different and it like resonates throughout their, their, their material.
Nate: [00:11:49] Yeah. And I think you touched on something really important there, which is to try and summarize what that person’s position on the topic is like, you know like their, the, their thing might be think differently about your market. Think about your customer. And it’s like by having that single like sentence, I can have a framework to look through things and remember that person by.
And I find that really useful because then I can use that as a tool in everyday life.
Josh: [00:12:16] right. Yeah. I agree. There’s definitely some ones that have resonated with me. Certain authors, certain, I don’t know, are they influencers? Are they makers, creators, whatever you want to call them subject matter experts. We’ll just, I’ll just say that they have like a thing and they keep kind of circling back.
And I, I find it really interesting because it probably took
them a long
time to get to that And it was probably like,
I’m finding this with like referral rock stuff. I have so much information in my head on. Referral marketing and all these different things. And when someone asks me, I can just rail off on a certain topic, but when it starts off and they’re like, okay, so what are the.
You know, what does the one thing that people need to know, or the one insight and a mic? I, there are so many and I have not refined that to a point of where it’s like, okay, this is the
framework it starts here. And if you know this, then you need to
learn these three things. And those all like relate to this.
And then you have to learn these five things
before X makes sense. Once once a lot of the people, and I think that’s what it takes to write a book, right. That’s what it takes to, to,
give these
masterclasses and things like that. They have it all in their head, but then it’s
extremely curated down to the level that someone else can pick it up
having to go through 20 years of agony and trying to make this mental model in their brain.
Nate: [00:13:42] Yeah. Yeah. and I think that’s exactly why you read the books. Right? Cause then you don’t have to do the experience and learned it the hard way. Like you might do for some other thing that
you’re trying to learn. But yeah, I think you’re right. Like, I think that’s the difference between people who are teachers or like who do lectures and stuff like that versus just talking to someone who happens to work in the industry, right.
They they’ve distilled.
Josh: [00:14:04] That’s I feel like that’s the hard part now is like with all these platforms out there, it’s definitely very much of an equal opportunity. You know, if you can add, it’s almost like if you can hack the algorithm, you can get, you can get known for something, but my trouble is sometimes like not everything out there, no matter how popular it is, maybe actually good advice or they’re just regurgitating something else.
And there’s plenty of people out there that know exactly what they’re talking about, but there’s also equally ones that are almost, you know, famous for being famous. And they’re just. Saying things and that’s the stuff I cringe at and I have trouble with, and it makes me want to just, I don’t know, not just, just rage and be upset about it.
Nate: [00:14:53] I think that is kind of like one of the dangers of just searching Google for the thing that you want to learn about. Like you could come across, you know, what’s the top five things I need to know from marketing and The stuff you’re going to find on there is probably not useful at all to you. Like maybe it’ll have some basics on it, but it doesn’t really tell you like how to think necessarily.
Because probably a lot of that’s been written by a content copywriter who was trying to fill keywords or something like that.
Josh: [00:15:19] My marketing strategy looks seen right now with a referral right now. I’m just
kidding. We do that. Try to put some things up, but you’re right. I mean, those are
ads out there. And
I think the same thing, like
someone was good at technical SEO.
Someone was good at backlink
building. Someone was a good at refining this thing, and that’s why it’s a topic. They’re not mutually exclusive. It could also be good
advice, but that’s the lens I’m looking at Google for those things. Like you didn’t say you were going to search Google for like had had to do Exxon marketing. You went straight to like friends, you know, and respect and an established trust that met your trust with Google and how they positioned it is not necessarily right.
Nate: [00:16:00] Yeah. And I guess like one really clear example of this to me is when I first started my consulting. I felt really like alone and like, I didn’t, I felt like I didn’t know where I was going? and that’s not really like a question you can just type into Google and be like, what do I do?
Josh: [00:16:18] alone. Help me go, go help me. You’re on my only hope.
Nate: [00:16:23] Yeah, exactly. Like it just, it doesn’t make any sense. And like, the advice that I got from my, my network was amazing compared to what I could ever find on the end. like just the depth of knowledge and like the depth of conversation and the, the way that people can relate to Right? Like they, they take the five minutes to understand your context and. then they tailor their knowledge to you.
Right. Tailor it in a way that makes sense to you. And it’s really, I find it a lot easier to evaluate whether it, makes sense or not. When someone is saying it Like, if someone says to me, like it’s ridiculous to do marketing, you should never do that because customers will just come to you then it’s like it’s, it’s easier to evaluate that. for me in audio farm
as being false, as opposed to like scanning through a big, long paragraph or something.
Josh: [00:17:13] Now, and I think we go back to that. One of those statements I said earlier, which is they know your context. So
again, if they’re giving you advice,
they can put it into words that they’re automatically trying to communicate
that is going to resonate with you anyway. So you’re getting the benefits of them knowing you and putting it in that context versus like you asked someone else.
And I might give you a, someone might give you a marketing book
that is really advanced and has you need to understand. All these base concepts
before this other one makes a lot of sense
where if they know you and you’re early on, it’s like, oh, well actually, you know what, this one’s a
great one to get started on.
This one was the one that like hooked to me or really you know, turn the lights on for me. So,
Nate: [00:17:59] yeah, What about for you? What what do you do to learn something new?
Josh: [00:18:03] So I think I do something
similar with reaching out to my network, although I would say that
comes more second nature. I think my first
place may be, it might be,
Google honestly, like for, for
And like I said, I think it’s a second thought of like, who do I know that
X and I don’t know if that’s
just mean.
Wanting to ask for help. I don’t know. I think there’s might be some other regressed feelings in there, but I
the network stuff is really powerful
and I’m trying to get better at that because I
Like even yesterday, actually I
think it was yesterday. Might’ve been a while ago.
I, I did, I had a question about.
B2B social media accounts. And I put that on, on Twitter just because I was like, I don’t know. And I want to know what other people think and I put it out on there and I actually got some really good responses and a lot of good data that I want to go through manually later and kind of almost make a summary of it.
But I got a lot of recommendations and a lot of good insights on that. And that already like,
Jumped a level of, of knowledge by
just even asking a little Quip from, from the Twitter network that are people that follow me. And once they, they mentioned in it,
Nate: [00:19:24] yeah.
that’s crazy. How, how powerful it can be when people kind of all chime in together to, to answer your question, Nate.
Josh: [00:19:31] right.
Nate: [00:19:32] Yeah, I think, I think, I think you’re right. That it can be tricky sometimes to ask people because like sometimes, sometimes you? can feel like you’re kinda kinda dumb or like something like that.
Right. And it takes a little bit to overcome.
Josh: [00:19:46] I think I learned a lot by serendipity. It sounds stupid, but it’s like, I think, I think that in my brain, I have so much I’m working on. And then, and I have so many tasks that it’s like, I don’t often ask. The question. I usually just kind of go and try to figure it out for myself first, so that it’s probably not necessarily the best habit.
But I do listen to a ton of podcasts into which a lot of those podcasts lead to book recommendations. I don’t, I don’t actually actively go search for books. Like I said, I don’t look at YouTube, but. What I do have is like in my podcast player, there are, there are sources, let’s say a good examples business of software.
I really like, so I listened to that one. Saster I listened to that. So these are all obviously business and SAS related. I’m trying to
think of another, oh, another one I
really like lately and it’s fairly new is called the first round.
It’s by first round
capital or, or first round review is where they post all the blog posts on it.
But for, oh, it’s called in depth. That’s the
name of the podcast.
Nate: [00:21:01] okay.
Josh: [00:21:01] But that.
one what’s interesting about all of those is
they’re just feeds, right? It’s just like organic feeds
and it may be something I’m thinking about now and it may not be,
and I listened to them
without. It’s like, I listened to them without intent.
Other than to
just listen, if that makes sense.
Nate: [00:21:21] Okay. So you’re kind of just, you’re kind of listening to information from these different sources, but not really like for a particular reason.
Josh: [00:21:27] right. I’m not searching them out with intent, right? Like, Hey, I want to learn X like this, this this one on from first round. The, that I met. Yeah. What I say in-depth, it’s called, in-depth sorry. That one covers, they interview all kinds of people in bigger companies, mostly VC, mostly tech. What’s nice is there’s not an, there’s barely an ounce of VC funding in that time.
Most of the times they’re, they’re
getting the people in the trenches. It’s not necessarily always founders and CEOs, which kind of come with their own. Cache of baggage and, and, and topics of telling the brand story, but it really gets more into the nitty gritty. It’ll be like, oh, here’s this, this person from Twilio that is a like senior product manager.
And they have this whole story about all the different companies they’ve looked or how they’ve progressed as from a developer to a manager to managing like hundreds of people and growing growth teams and all of these things. For me with podcasts. It’s like the perfect space for that. Cause it’s, I keep saying it’s like getting able to
have access, being able to have
access to a conversation and being a fly on the wall
where you otherwise wouldn’t have access to.
And it’s like, oh, I’d love to get in the mind of this person that has seen all these things. And hearing it from their point of view and hearing a great interviewer kind of
walk them through and trying to
uncover all these insights and gems. And so for me, that organically spawned so many things and it’s like, the person might ask them, oh, well, you know, what do you think of OKR is?
And performance reviews. And it goes down this whole thing. And then I’m like, Actually that’s, that’s an interesting question. And then it has me and inspires me to evaluate how we’re doing things or, Ooh, this one talked about performance reviews. We’re not doing performance reviews yet. I’m going to earmark that.
And remember to come back when I go revisit how we’re doing performance reviews and it was insightful the first time, even when I wasn’t doing it. And now that when I’m sure when I go back to do it, it’ll be like having that person on call and getting their advice. Then.
Nate: [00:23:43] Yeah.
So I wonder if that’s like, kind of related to you or your place in life with like, where you kind of have some stability with referral rock, as opposed to like. Like as in like a big growth period where you’re, you’re just like tackling problem after problem that you don’t have experience with,
Josh: [00:24:00] Yeah.
Nate: [00:24:00] because it seems to me they’re almost using these feeds as a way to
hone your personal skills and your business, and then work on those areas in your business.
As you gain those skills are, get new insights.
Josh: [00:24:12] I wouldn’t say it’s as much skills, but probably it’s expanding my map. You know what I mean? It’s expanding, like my uncovering the, what did they say? That the, the unknown, the known unknowns or.
Nate: [00:24:27] yeah, that’s the one. No, no, no, no.
Josh: [00:24:29] Yeah. So it’s like, I know that stuff is out there, but I know now when I hear about it, I realize how much I actually don’t know about it or something.
So, but, but I know where to place it somewhere, 50 yards out or three miles away in that direction. And I’ll know it’s somewhere out there, but it’s not 10 feet away, which I might’ve thought. Yeah, it was until I heard about it, if that makes sense.
Nate: [00:24:51] Yeah. Yeah.
Josh: [00:24:52] So yeah, it helps me. See a bigger map, I think. And it helps me like kind of reposition where I am on that and know
where I could be going.
So then that’s, that’s great for strategy. It’s great for like, maybe I’m, it may help me solve a problem that is in my face that I don’t realize there’s another answer because I’m hearing it from outside my scope.
Nate: [00:25:20] Yep. Yep. Totally.
Do, do you ever do do you ever take courses.
Josh: [00:25:25] Nope.
Nate: [00:25:26] Nope.
Josh: [00:25:27] I am not a course person. I
am not a very studious take
a take lesson, like take like iterative lessons building
on top of each other. I
more Emma, skip around, find the things.
Sometimes I’ll go back and
read through the lessons properly. Maybe it’s a sense of like oh, I think I know what this is just to this.
And just, maybe it’s just a level of impatience. I’m not, not quite sure, but I’ve, I’ve never been able to do that. Well I can read books that are a narrative straight through because you kind of have to, and I
do enjoy those. Those are different, but yeah. How about you? Do you, are you a course person?
Nate: [00:26:05] no, not at all, basically exactly what you said. Like I get so impatient with courses and I just want to like, just tell me what what’s the, what’s the important thing here. And if I don’t get it, I’ll come back and read all the details.
Josh: [00:26:17] right. Yeah. Cause there’s definitely, and I’m sure this frustrates course creators. So if they saw any, any one of you or me probably signing up for a course, they’d see us jump around in different spots. Probably never actually finish. And they probably didn’t think right. Got very much value in it, even though we came in and got what we needed and wanted.
Weren’t complaining
about it and you know, maybe six months later we’re revisiting it in a certain section when it applies. But then, but yeah, I’m not a build like this soup to nuts directly in an, in a, in a prescribed order
Nate: [00:26:54] yeah, yeah, me either. And I think there is a little bit of a downside to it. Like the upside is you don’t waste time on things that you don’t care about, but the downside is, is that sometimes. Do, you think that something means something, but it doesn’t, or like you, you misinterpret, right? I just had that with Harvard’s book the other day I was reading through Harvard’s book and I was like, yeah, this is cool.
Nice exercises. Yeah, those look nice. And I just carried on and I was like, you know what, maybe I should just go back and do those. Let’s just see what happens. And so I went back and did them and I was like, Hey,
Josh: [00:27:22] Ooh.
Nate: [00:27:22] this works like 10 times better than I thought. Okay. Okay.
Josh: [00:27:28] So, this is why everyone thinks we act like, no, it all idiots, when someone that read the book is like, no, no, no, it’s this like, no, is there something like, did you actually read it? And I’m like, no, but I think it’s this right.
Nate: [00:27:42] Yeah. Yeah, but there’s, I guess from my perspective, I was like, I there’s nothing worse to
me than like, a meeting where some person just like talks on and on and on. And they like don’t really have much content. I got really impatient with that kind of thing And same with like books. It’s like, if it’s not progressing, like just let me out.
Josh: [00:28:03] Yeah, no, I, I, and that’s why like, articles, I like to, like, I love to read the headlines, skim around, jump in and out. And oftentimes it may lead me to go back and read the whole thing. And if I like everything I read and even I spot into was really good, then I’m like, Ooh, I should read the whole thing straight through, like, because Hey, you know, what’s sort of interesting.
I’m not, I don’t listen to as much music as I used to
like kind of as a you know, in college and teenager and things like, that, but it’s kind of similar, right? Like you would hear a song on the radio and you
would get into, into a certain song and some people would buy just the single.
Some people would just listen to
the one.
But I was always a person where
I’d be like what’s funny is this is opposite. I’d really get into. Like listening to the album as the artist intended straight through and would never
would not repeat. I mean, sometimes you get obsessed with a song and repeat it, but I was very much like, I want to listen to it, Like how they, how they designed it intended from track one to 15 or whatever.
Nate: [00:29:09] yeah. Yeah. Well, I think the difference there is that the music is not for getting information out of it. It’s like about the experience, right?
Josh: [00:29:17] that’s probably more like the narrative thing I was talking about before
with like
Nate: [00:29:20] Yeah. Like, like be read books for fun. But if you’re trying to get information out, that’s a different story.
Josh: [00:29:25] right, right, right. So yeah, so for me, the podcasts are
But like I said, like I even mentioned
a few on here,
You know, first round review with
the in depth and also their
their content is amazing. So yeah. What’s funny. I just wanted to add this point is the ones I mentioned. Those are all go-to places, business of software first round.
And Saster things like that. Where in those certain subject matter areas, I will go and search through their catalogs for things. So if I do have a question on, let’s say performance reviews or something like that, I might go to some of those places because they are curated. They are, I have, they do have a.
High level of editorial and like usually don’t have kind of crap and fluff. And so I trust has established level of trust and reputation with those media sources. And we talked earlier about trust and reputation with people. But those, those sources, like I will, those will be
go-to places.
Specifically go to their sites or in their podcast list and
search for terms, if there is a problem. If I am looking by intent,
Nate: [00:30:37] Yeah.
So in a way that’s sort of like your network of friends and.
Josh: [00:30:41] I bet. Yeah.
Nate: [00:30:41] and search there.
Josh: [00:30:42] Yeah. So it’s kind of a combination,
It’s like, they’re, those are the, those are those places I will do
by intent. And then they’re also there to kind of be like a friend or always just chatting about different stuff that might even may or not be relevant,
but. I’m kind of vested in trusted enough at all,
give it a shot to whatever they have to say.
Nate: [00:31:02] Yeah. Yeah.
Josh: [00:31:04] Cool. Any last thoughts about where, where you learn?
Nate: [00:31:10] well, I think not so much where I learned, but I think never stop learning. Just keep making sure that you’re, you’re always trying to expand your, your knowledge and, you know, being, being a little bit humble about how much you, you think you might know, I think is really important.
Josh: [00:31:23] Yeah. I agree. There’s definitely so much out there. So many pockets of, you know, just because someone says one thing, you may not agree, and there there’s so much knowledge out there too. Have access to it kind of dumbfounds me at sometimes when people are like, I don’t know how to do this. And it’s like, oh my gosh.
There’s can you imagine trying to figure some of this stuff out 20 years ago? Like just do realize how much, how much information, reputation networks, people, books, podcasts, all these things. It’s like, you don’t even have to be like, well, I don’t, I don’t like,
to read. It’s like, Hey do podcasts. Like there’s,
there’s almost like no excuse in my brain other than like, I just don’t have the will to learn.
Nate: [00:32:10] Yep. Pretty much. I think.
Josh: [00:32:12] anyway, I think that’s a good note to end.
Nate: [00:32:15] Sounds good.
Josh: [00:32:16] Cool. All right. See you next week.